In Progress Street Fighter 89 The Final Fight by Machok v3.8.3

[danno]

I've been experimenting with 420x240

 

[machok]

I mean, I always try to follow the actual sprite shape for the different hitboxes. I know old games were kind of weird, but it's not an excuse anymore.

I see.. don't worry about the shape sometimes I am limiting or exceed the attack box but it serves its purpose nicely

For my attacks, most of time I use 15 as z. Combo enders uses 20 and some special cases like sword attacks uses 25

Incidentally, a depth of 0 for attack and body would be effectively impossible to hit. Boxes are calculated with whole numbers, but positioning is a floating decimal.

My choice isn't effective because I need the ATK line to something like this, engine default would broke the obstacle with wider depth
So I adjusted almost one by one each ATK box (and sometime obstacle platform) to get exactly what I wanted

DC current actually had something crazy where there were 2 attack boxes on one frame.

yeah 2 attack box or 2 bbox one frame would be cool

it feels to me like the playable area is too small now, it's just a personal preference but I do feel like the playable area should be expanded with the new moves to play with.

I've been experimenting with 420x240

widescreen personally I would love that hovewer specifically for SF89? I don't want to do it yet
danno I wants every wait spot pixels exactly the same with the original (nothing less and nothing more) so adding wide screen would make them different. That's why when I add an extended stage I didn't change the original parts of the stage (not sure everyone will notice, perhaps eventually).
This one for example:


left is my custom, right is the og. I didn't touch the og pixels a bit.

Currently there are requests for 3 player so with a wide screen I think it would make more sense.
Maybe 3 players mode that will use the wide screen. I'll wait when there are many requests for this as for now I prefer the default mode as it is now

Your 420x240 experiment did you find any issues?

 

[Kratus]

Your 420x240 experiment did you find any issues?

Personally I think the 420x240 on the danno's test looks great, basically it gives you more space currently used by the black borders but without changing sprites too much.

 

[machok]

@Kratus

I should also add more pixels for some stages if we add widescreen feature I think? I have never experimented with wide resolution so far

 

[Kratus]

I should also add more pixels for some stages if we add widescreen feature I think? I have never experimented with wide resolution so far

Specifically for the bonus car stage you may need to draw an extra content for left/right parts too because this level has the same size as the resolution, but usually you will only need to draw extra content for top/bottom parts and for left/right a little adjustment on the "wait" points will be enough. Getting SORX levels as an example, most stages can be rebuilt by repeating the same existing content (like textures) with no resizes to avoid losing image quality.

The white border has 420x240 compared with your current 384x224.


And here's a very simple example of what I'm talking about. I'm not a sprite expert, certainly you or Don Vecta can fill the empty spaces easier than me with your skills.
And you need to fill a really small space, 420x240 compared with 384x224 have a difference of 36 pixels left/right (18 each side) and 16 top/bottom (8 each side), SORX is 480x272 against 320x224 and even that it was not hard to draw all the extra content.

 

[machok]

View attachment 6419

this is beautiful
Thanks for explanation, still need to think about hud and others if I want to do this, not to mention if i want to add 3 players hud would something need to think carefully.

 

[danno]

Your 420x240 experiment did you find any issues?

Only spawn location issues which is to be expected, 420x240 looks good for the sprite size and spacing, my intention was to make the screen look less busy and give more room to play, the resolution you are using now is 384x224 so it's not much different but enough to make a difference.

I would not add 3 players because that would make the screen even more crowded and busy, I don't like too much of a busy screen because it reminds me of the old BOR days when enemies would suffocate the player.

With your new move set the players can go from one side of the screen to the other side of the screen very quickly and it now feels like there is not enough space for the new moves, in the classic version you made this was not a problem.

 

[machok]

I would not add 3 players because that would make the screen even more crowded and busy

After thinking about it, I also don't like changing the hud for 3 players


v3.5 MOVELIST

SF89v3.5 movelist_temp
Manual still updating for next v3.6

 

[machok]

I tried SF89 with new engine (v7553)
must say it's not compatible at the moment and maybe it will remain the same, so don't ask and stay with old v6330

Incompatibilities / error found list:
1. death anim / bouncefactor error?
2. Cody tornado not load, pretty sure Guy Ki also suffer the same
3. Weapons throw very slow
4. Music / Sound noises?
5. Red Hollywood bottle fire can't be hit
6. Cody bad Stone knife animation flying Yes you read it correctly
7. Chargeattack can't do juggle
8. Random music missing in some stages
9. Second run attack wih weapons can't hit enemies
10.Random Bosses lifebar error (possibility enemy with huge number of health)
11.Bonus Stage Car breaks error, can get stuck if you hit it too fast
12.Delay entity (scripted) not working / too much delay

I have just played to stage 3 at the moment and found a lot of incompatibilities, I need to test it further
And Keep in mind all of this list is jut specific SF89 module, so others may be different

 

[O Ilusionista]

8. Random music missing in some stages

This could be something to look at. Can you check which music and attack it here (or at OpenBOR 4 thread) so the devs can take a look?

 

[machok]

Can you check which music and attack it here (or at OpenBOR 4 thread) so the devs can take a look?

They were two missing but I only remember one, here:

1.music        data/music/2_1_Subway_Smash.ogg

*edit can't attach the file, not sure may include this link or not?
**don't think mediafire is an approve site here

 

[O Ilusionista]

attach the .ogg file here, please.

 

[machok]

@O Ilusionista
How? it say file doesn't have allowed extension

Edit: sorry my bad, it's too large

 

[Kratus]

I tried SF89 with new engine (v7553)
must say it's not compatible at the moment and maybe it will remain the same, so don't ask and stay with old v6330

Incompatibilities / error found list:
1. death anim / bouncefactor error?
2. Cody tornado not load, pretty sure Guy Ki also suffer the same
3. Weapons throw very slow
4. Music / Sound noises?
5. Red Hollywood bottle fire can't be hit
6. Cody bad Stone knife animation flying Yes you read it correctly
7. Chargeattack can't do juggle
8. Random music missing in some stages
9. Second run attack wih weapons can't hit enemies
10.Random Bosses lifebar error (possibility enemy with huge number of health)
11.Bonus Stage Car breaks error, can get stuck if you hit it too fast
12.Delay entity (scripted) not working / too much delay

I have just played to stage 3 at the moment and found a lot of incompatibilities, I need to test it further
And Keep in mind all of this list is jut specific SF89 module, so others may be different

@machok I suggest first comparing every point with SORX to see if the same issue happens. Example, the music/sound noise issue doesn't happen to me, instead now the audio volume was changed a bit to balance both sound and music on the same level avoiding the necessity of increasing the audio files volume too much and causing distortion.
Maybe your audio file's volume is now higher and you are hearing the noise that already exists in your files.

stay with old v6330

I need to make an advice in this point, not all the differences are related to the v4, there's some changes between 6330 and 6391 (6384/6385/6390) and if I'm not wrong a few are related to juggling. I remember that when moving from 6330 to 6391 I needed to fill all the jugglecost/jugglecost correctly in order to allow aerial collisions, I suggest checking it

I can make a quick answer in every point you mentioned:

1. death anim / bouncefactor error?

Both are working fine in SORX but it would be good to know more details about your problem.

2. Cody tornado not load, pretty sure Guy Ki also suffer the same

How this entity is loaded in your game? For me all loads are working fine on the same way as before.

3. Weapons throw very slow

Which method you are using to throw weapons (script or native)?

4. Music / Sound noises?

Not happened in SORX yet, maybe related to your audio files.

5. Red Hollywood bottle fire can't be hit

Check the juggle change I mentioned, maybe adding jugglepoints in some projectiles can solve the problem.

6. Cody bad Stone knife animation flying Yes you read it correctly

How is the stone thrown (script/native)? If scripted, there's a change in this aspect, I suggest to make these adaptations:

Knife behaviour (straight movement)
vShot = projectile(name, x+dx, z+dz, y+dy, direction, 0, 0, 0);

Bomb behaviour (arc movement)
vShot = projectile(name, x+dx, z+dz, y+dy, direction, 0, 1, 0);

7. Chargeattack can't do juggle

Have this animation jugglecost declared?

8. Random music missing in some stages

How this random system works? I have scripted musics and works fine in SORX.

9. Second run attack wih weapons can't hit enemies
10.Random Bosses lifebar error (possibility enemy with huge number of health)
11.Bonus Stage Car breaks error, can get stuck if you hit it too fast
12.Delay entity (scripted) not working / too much delay

Need more details or visual examples about these.

An extra tip about the collisions, @DCurrent can explain technically better than me but in short is:

In v3 the Z axis sometimes would "compensate" the Y axis distance between attack boxes and body boxes. In the v4 the system is more accurate and each axis is independent, so the collision must happen in all the three dimensions in order to be a valid one.
An easier way to check why it's not colliding is, put the two entities in the exact Z axis (use the debug feature) and see if the atbox/bbox are visually touching each other. If not, you need to adjust it. Usually I first adjust X/Y and then proceed to Z.

 

[machok]

I suggest first comparing every point with SORX

I will, I check mine is SORX_BETA_23 do I need latest version or this one is enough?

Both are working fine in SORX but it would be good to know more details about your problem.

I need to play it to finish first then I'll check them one by one

How this entity is loaded in your game? For me all loads are working fine on the same way as before.

with projectile command, I can change it. This was lazy work at that time it straight copy paste from pierwolf FFGold

@cmd    projectile 1 "tornado" -15 0 0

Which method you are using to throw weapons (script or native)?

earlier when I test it holly wood and elgado still use custknife - throwframe
but now I have replaced everything with shooter script and the newest shooter89 from you
so both results are the same (script and native)

Not happened in SORX yet, maybe related to your audio files.

instead now the audio volume was changed a bit to balance both sound and music on the same level avoiding the necessity of increasing the audio files volume too much and causing distortion

well I indeed raise up the music file volume to about 150% and lower it in sound setting, also sound FX are louder than music. Doing this to make it sounds similar to the arcade version
This must be the problem

How is the stone thrown (script/native)? If scripted, there's a change in this aspect, I suggest to make these adaptations:

Knife behaviour (straight movement)
vShot = projectile(name, x+dx, z+dz, y+dy, direction, 0, 0, 0);

This is my Cody bad stone, also same with tornado

    @cmd    projectile 1 "bad_stone1" 5 0 0

so how to change it? with shooter script like you write above?

Have this animation jugglecost declared?

Yes it's jugglecost 1
however I am using flags script too, maybe it causing it. Will try to remove it and see what happen

How this random system works? I have scripted musics and works fine in SORX.

It's my bad english what I mean is random missing music in some stages.
Actually, I remembered some YouTubers also experienced this with the engine v6391, that's why I always recommended sticking with v6330 for a long time.
my other theory is, if their PC is not strong enough to run openbor (v6391) + video recorder (maybe using onboard gpu) , then missing music also happened randomly (just my assumption).

Need more details or visual examples about these.

Sometime I am using delay entities before my outro script animation (example: before andore grab players to enter the ring, west side stage) but this delay entity never appears, so player not doing outro scene at all.
I sometimes also use a delay entity before the spawn group (inline script) enters. However, the delay felt very long different from version 6330. Of course I can't confirm whether this delay entity is the cause or something else, I need to test it further to make sure

name       delay
health       10
type       enemy
shadow     0
nomove     1

animationscript        data/scripts/cbusters.c



anim idle
    @script
        void self = getlocalvar("self");
        int  Health = getentityproperty(self, "health");

        if(frame==1){
          changeentityproperty(self, "health", Health-5);
          if (Health <= 0){
            killentity(self);
          }
        }
    @end_script
       loop   1
       delay   49
       offset   1 1
       frame   data/chars/misc/empty.gif
       delay   1
       frame   data/chars/misc/empty.gif

 

[Kratus]

I will, I check mine is SORX_BETA_23 do I need latest version or this one is enough?

Yes, or the beta 24 too.

so how to change it? with shooter script like you write above?

Yeah, it's a good idea, I always recommend creating a function like shooter instead of using the @cmd projectile directly in the animations. This way you have much more control.

Actually, I remembered some YouTubers also experienced this with the engine v6391, that's why I always recommended sticking with v6330 for a long time.
my other theory is, if their PC is not strong enough to run openbor (v6391) + video recorder (maybe using onboard gpu) , then missing music also happened randomly (just my assumption).

Strange, even when I used the native music I never had this issue before. Are you using scripted music somewhere in the game together with native ones? Because trying to play an invalid music name with scripts can stop the current music and leave the game with no music.

Sometime I am using delay entities before my outro script animation (example: before andore grab players to enter the ring, west side stage) but this delay entity never appears, so player not doing outro scene at all.
I sometimes also use a delay entity before the spawn group (inline script) enters. However, the delay felt very long different from version 6330. Of course I can't confirm whether this delay entity is the cause or something else, I need to test it further to make sure

I'm using delay entities too, try to copy some properties from my version and see if it solves the problem.

name                Delay #ENTITY USED TO CREATE A DELAY BETWEEN TWO ENEMY SPAWNS/GROUPS
type                enemy
subject_to_wall        0
subject_to_platform    0
subject_to_minz        0
subject_to_maxz        0
health                1
shadow                0
nomove                1 1
nodrop                2
stealth                2
offscreenkill        6000
antigravity            100
setlayer            1000

anim idle
    loop    0
    delay    1
    offset    62 126
    frame    data/chars/random/empty.png

 

[machok]

You can fake it using the iconmphigh as mentioned above - you just make a icon big enough with the word super over where the mp bar is

But if you want to replace the bar with the word super... You will need to script it.

iconmphigh can't use animated.gif?
can I use blank/full transparent mp bar so it show up only when full mp are ready?
I just want to show super animated when mp is ready to use, when it's not I prefer to hide it

- "typemp" command in the levels.txt file at the "set" header, which defines how the mp will be recovered during the game (by time or by hits).

I am doing another test for player mp since only using HP for super is not effective in game
player respawn always fill the mpbar to full?

 

[O Ilusionista]

iconmphigh can't use animated.gif

No icon can use animated gif

can I use blank/full transparent mp bar so it show up only when full mp are ready?

You can add the word super to the icon and it will be displayed over the life bar (I intend to use this someday). But to use an animation, you would need a script.

 

[Kratus]

player respawn always fill the mpbar to full?

Yes, but you can avoid it by adding a script to reset the mp manually inside the respawn1.c/respawn2.c events. You can do the same in the level.c in order to reset when any level starts.

Respawn1.c for player 1

void main()
{//Reset mp during respawn
    void player = getplayerproperty(0, "entity");

    if(player != NULL()){
        changeentityproperty(player, "mp", 0);
    }
}

Respawn2.c for player 2

void main()
{//Reset mp during respawn
    void player = getplayerproperty(1, "entity");

    if(player != NULL()){
        changeentityproperty(player, "mp", 0);
    }
}

 

[machok]

You can add the word super to the icon and it will be displayed over the life bar (I intend to use this someday). But to use an animation, you would need a script

More less the best I can do without script

Yes, but you can avoid it by adding a script

Couldn't found mp 0 at start (spawn), should use script too?