New Marvel Beat em UP
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SEEGET
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The games fun. What bugs me is the enemies sort of feel weightlessI'll wait for the price to come down or a sale before I play this one, there's too many things I don't like about it that I hope get fixed first, if not I'll mod it and fix it myself
O Ilusionista
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I plan to give it a go, but I will wait for a lower price and fixes, because this is a clear example of broken game to me:
1500 hits on a beat em up isn't normal, sorry. They should rename it to MVC2: beat em up edition
Ah, the so called modern beat em ups and the focus on infinite combos + wall bounce
The video above is one of the reasons I strongly dislike wall bounce in invisible walls
1500 hits on a beat em up isn't normal, sorry. They should rename it to MVC2: beat em up edition
Ah, the so called modern beat em ups and the focus on infinite combos + wall bounce
The video above is one of the reasons I strongly dislike wall bounce in invisible walls
SEEGET
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I plan to give it a go, but I will wait for a lower price and fixes, because this is a clear example of broken game to me:
1500 hits on a beat em up isn't normal, sorry. They should rename it to MVC2: beat em up edition
Ah, the so called modern beat em ups and the focus on infinite combos + wall bounce
The video above is one of the reasons I strongly dislike wall bounce in invisible walls
dai92
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@O Ilusionista if you have gamepass on PC or on xbox , They added this on there to download for free buddy (Well not free because u pay for gamepass but you know what i mean) That is how i got itI plan to give it a go, but I will wait for a lower price and fixes, because this is a clear example of broken game to me:
1500 hits on a beat em up isn't normal, sorry. They should rename it to MVC2: beat em up edition
Ah, the so called modern beat em ups and the focus on infinite combos + wall bounce
The video above is one of the reasons I strongly dislike wall bounce in invisible walls
hahaha. I have gamepass Ultimate.
See, I never minded invisible walls, but this is yet again an example of modern devs not having a clue how to handle things the old heads solved decades ago. All you have to do is apply a ratio to the bounce. This introduces an organic decay so it's impossible to keep someone up forever repeating the same move, but doesn't impose any arbitrary limits. I mean, if *I* of all people can figure this out, and I'm nowhere near the old school devs in skill, how hard can it be?
C:
/*
* If we are moving right, then we'll bounce
* to left and vice versa. The bounce velocity
* is 50% of original velocity so entity won't
* bounce between walls forever or be TOO easy
* to juggle.
*
* We also apply some damage to the entity as
* a % of the velocity. If the entity is moving
* left, we need to resign so the damage isn't
* negative.
*/
velocity_x = get_entity_property(acting_entity, "velocity_x");
if (velocity_x >= 0)
{
position_direction = openborconstant("DIRECTION_ADJUST_RIGHT");
toss_x = (-velocity_x) * 0.5;
toss_y = velocity_x * 1.5;
damage_force += (velocity_x * 3);
}
else
{
position_direction = openborconstant("DIRECTION_ADJUST_LEFT");
toss_x = (-velocity_x) * 0.5;
toss_y = (-velocity_x) * 1.5;
damage_force += ((-velocity_x) * 3);
}While they are at it, and so desperate to copy Capcom, why not, oh, I don't know, actually do what Capcom did in the VS series? Add a simple gravity ratio that eventually overcomes the juggling lift. You still juggle to your heart's content, but you have to figure out the resets and use some skill + variety to do it.
These are not rocket science things.
DC
O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
or even better: apply a juggle limit
or even better: apply a juggle limit
Ehh, I see that as the less elegant solution. Arbitrary limits reek of lazy coding, take away player agency, and punish certain characters more than others. They're also harder to maintain if you try to make them attack specific (AKA OpenBOR's jugglepoints). I feel decaying ratios are more organic and from a coding perspective give you a central source of truth. One formula that gradually increases falling velocity over time.
Optionally, a higher starting base for bigger characters. Then it's just a single model setting. Now heavier characters are (usually) bigger targets, but harder to lift, and everyone eventually becomes impossible to keep aloft. Sprinkle in a few special attacks here and there if you like that reset the ratio, but are hard to land or have resource cost, and you have all you need for a fair and skill based juggle system. Capcom did exactly this and it works beautifully. Adjust ratio for higher or lower juggle thresholds and you're good to go.
Now that said, I do not like damage scaling, because that does the same thing as arbitrary juggle limits. It hurts some types more than others and leads to silly stuff where the game rewards button mashing an auto combo more than someone skilled enough to pull out a full string.
DC
lol, how did the devs let this happen?I plan to give it a go, but I will wait for a lower price and fixes, because this is a clear example of broken game to me:
1500 hits on a beat em up isn't normal, sorry. They should rename it to MVC2: beat em up edition
Even if they do not want a more advanced solution like DC mentioned, I agree with you that they should at least put a simple juggle limit.
Hanzo
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After thinking about it and seeing the posts above, I'm not liking the wall bounce effect in these modern beat'em ups, Shredder's Revenge has it, SOR4 has it but I think there is a limit I think, and now this one too lol. I might still get it since its still 20% off until the 15th. I do hope they will adjust it and some other fixes down the road before the physical release drops in March.
Bloodbane
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That's clearly broken! Performing infinite juggle is already broken but doing that to dead enemies is even worse.Here's my playthrough of the game:
The game is okay, though I noticed some characters can't dodge or they can't throw enemies for some reason (you can see me trying to do that with certain characters but it's not working, they just block/parry instead)!!
Also like said above you can do an insane amount of hits on an enemy, especially with the tag system since there is no cool down you can just keep tagging in your character and do an insane amount of damage in a short amount of time (watch Thanos boss fight). I think that's what they're going for making the game like MVC since the art style is pretty much there!!
Looking forward to see who there adding in for the DLC in the future though, that sure will be interesting!! ROFL, with every game copying this art style I'm surprised no one has managed to make an BOR game with all the different assets lol (maybe in the future lol)!!
The game is okay, though I noticed some characters can't dodge or they can't throw enemies for some reason (you can see me trying to do that with certain characters but it's not working, they just block/parry instead)!!
Also like said above you can do an insane amount of hits on an enemy, especially with the tag system since there is no cool down you can just keep tagging in your character and do an insane amount of damage in a short amount of time (watch Thanos boss fight). I think that's what they're going for making the game like MVC since the art style is pretty much there!!
Looking forward to see who there adding in for the DLC in the future though, that sure will be interesting!! ROFL, with every game copying this art style I'm surprised no one has managed to make an BOR game with all the different assets lol (maybe in the future lol)!!
SEEGET
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We will feast on this in the future lol more bor games will come
O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
well, at least for me, I do have a rule of not using content from games newer than 2 years.