O Ilusionista
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Storm animations are so damn good
New Marvel Beat em UP
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The animations are really nice frame to frame, but the movement and scrolling is just embarrassing to look at. Reminds me of early projects here using
move <int> for velocity, or startups that left us because they wanted a "modern" engine, went to Unity and ended up a stuttering mess.Someone really needs to explain sub pixel motion to these guys - it's only been one of the most fundamental aspects of coding object movement for 50 years or so.
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YagamiBrando
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Haven't tried it yet. Maybe I'll just wait for the full version, so not to spoil anything %)
I've seen some complaints about the gameplay, mainly people are upset the game feels too easy, most enemies just wait there for you to approach and attack them.
I've seen some complaints about the gameplay, mainly people are upset the game feels too easy, most enemies just wait there for you to approach and attack them.
Halcyon Ways
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That maybe the case. I don't like repeating the same move over and over. I like to cancel moves into each other. I wish I could be more specific but it's really hard to explain what I mean. For example. In Final Fight LNS you can cancel moves into each other. However, the game is really repetitive with the move canceling routes for a lot of the characters. The game loop is Parry 1x or 2x then chain some special cancels - Evade. Repeat with a Ultra move as you lvl up. Then wait for the mp to come back.heheh I think you have been spoiled by other creators, as I really dislike turning a beat em up into a scrolling fighting game with very long combos.
Its something that turns me down of playing a game instantly to be honest - as if I want to play MVC2, I would just play it on emulator
I do like combos in beat em ups, but until a certain degree.
But if the very first goon supports a 50 hits combo, its a big no to me.
Then I play something like SOR X which doesn't let you cancel moves nearly as much. Yet I find myself needing to think about attacks/parries.
A game like Wendigo Blue has a great fighting system.
I find that people have different definitions of combos and player expression.
For cosmic Invasion. I guess you want to be switching a ton like this
I think this looks really neat but it's kind of hard to do on a hitbox. I have to hold down the team switching button with my right ring finger. Then that locks my right hand in place, which makes harder to reach the lower row of buttons. I imagine having the controller in my lap doesn't help for my freedom of movement either...
In general, the hitbox makes any game with a lot buttons harder to play D=.
O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
Let me get it straight: for the love of the deity you worship, it's a beat em up.
I hate how "thoughtful combat design" means turning a beat em up intro marvel vs Capcom 2, with absurd and Boring long combo strings.
This is like a curse some modern beat em up are plagued with.
I am not talking about the OP himself, but the idea. I would prefer to see the word ending in fire than seeing the beat em up community turning into something at least close to the FGC.
I hate how "thoughtful combat design" means turning a beat em up intro marvel vs Capcom 2, with absurd and Boring long combo strings.
This is like a curse some modern beat em up are plagued with.
I am not talking about the OP himself, but the idea. I would prefer to see the word ending in fire than seeing the beat em up community turning into something at least close to the FGC.
The reason why they ALWAYS show one enemy on screen is because they are very bad at game design, if they put more than 1 enemy on screen you start to see MASSIVE holes in their design, it's fundamentally why beat em ups are different from fighting games but hype artist ignore it because "my cool 20 hit combo on a boring lifeless enemy"
If a standard enemy survives that combo it looks stupid and if you can do that combo to a boss it's not a good boss, really crap design.
The worst thing is crowd control with a combo, it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in modern beat em up, 30 hit combos on 3 enemies that multiply into 90 hits, lame and dumb.
Enemy design is just as important but enemies have just become combo sponges, boring...
the difference between juggling an enemy in beat em ups and fighting game combos is huge but when you lack creative design you don't know the difference.
If a standard enemy survives that combo it looks stupid and if you can do that combo to a boss it's not a good boss, really crap design.
The worst thing is crowd control with a combo, it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in modern beat em up, 30 hit combos on 3 enemies that multiply into 90 hits, lame and dumb.
Enemy design is just as important but enemies have just become combo sponges, boring...
the difference between juggling an enemy in beat em ups and fighting game combos is huge but when you lack creative design you don't know the difference.
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O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
Yep, and someone said that is "wild to ask for a Marvel game doesn't play as Marvel game" like every marvel game must play the same, lol
Yeah, the last thing we need on a beat em up is this
It's the fact that people think it's a "deeper more thoughtful combat design" here's something off the top of my head, enemies in beat em ups can be approached at 8 different angles on a z axis.
How about at each angle of approach the player has a completely different move set? you could pivot around the enemy in a circle doing different moves at any given angle, crowd control would be great, you could combo until your hearts content, you could even combo with another player easier, command grabs, weapons, the possibilities are endless, there you go... I've just revolutionised beat em ups.
O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
hahaha yes
Why don't I believe a single thing they are saying? This whole video feels like they are trying to convince me that "fans" have made the game.
O Ilusionista
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I think it would be more like "there are fans of the series on the team," because I know one of the game's spriters, Sean Alty, who is super well-known in the Mugen scene (he's one of the spriters for the Dragon Ball game) and is a big fan of the series, working on characters like Black Panther and Silver Surfer.
He also worked on Shredder's Revenge, where other spriters from the Mugen scene also worked.
Halcyon Ways
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Yeah, I see what you mean.
I was hoping for some actual behind scenes Game dev/Art Work stuff... But the first 3 minutes is them trying to prove how much street cred they have for the 90s -2000s Marvel stuff. For example, you have B roll footage of the devs in a comic bookstore/Conference room. While go "Hey Guys we are fans TOO!"
I think last 3 minutes had a lot more value for the Devs insight about they're work.
kimono
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I am delighted for him: he also created Shades of Manhattan which is a little gem (I wonder if all the sprites created are original or if some are edits, in any case, it looks superb):
All that remains is to wait until December 1st and see how it's received.
It seems the beat 'em up genre is currently very popular, and everyone is trying to ride the wave of fans of this style in their own way.
I actually view this as a bad thing, because it's being run into the ground and we as a community will be the ones who take a hit for it, but that's just the way things are.
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Grit
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I hope you and everyone else is doing well.
They fans of Marvel for sure but that doesn't mean a thing when the gameplay is lacking.
They lost me with the whole taking inspiration from the 90s and have it play like a modern game. I can't stand hearing one sound when enemies take damage. There should be a sound for various attacks that give the player audio ques at the very least.
The artwork is look insane but the gameplay falls flat when compared to 90s beat'em ups.
Oh absofuckinlutely. "Combat design" isn't "let me juggle this guy infinitely," it's about crowd management, positioning, and timing. Let me see your enemy design, how you plan your encounters, how things progress and what cool things you'll throw at me. Stop showing me how sick the combos one of your characters has, I don't want to play MvC2 I want to go on a romp through interesting levels and encounter interesting and memorable enemies.
kimono
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This style will always remain in our hearts and we'll have fun with our own amateur creationsI actually view this as a bad thing, because it's being run into the ground and we as a community will be the ones who take a hit for it, but that's just the way things are.
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YagamiBrando
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Good enough for me, the more the merrier. Sometimes we get the bad ones, like DD Revive, but most of the new ones were pretty fun.
I even loved the latest Power Rangers game, in spite of all it's problems at launch. It was still super fun. The only poor recent beat'em up is probably DD Revive. I am almost sure Marvel's gonna be good enough to beat couple of times and enjoy your time playing that huge roster of heroes.