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wintersun
Guest
so how exactly would someone convert a mugen character using openborstats?
NickyP
Active member
I only know about MUGEN from a user standpoint, so I'm not much help in regards to this. But I'm glad you're leading the charge in merging our communities, Ilu. ;D There's some real talent in the MUGEN community, so it'll be exciting to see where this leads as time goes by.
It's not a 100% conversation... just animations (almost all of which need to be renamed), frames, offsets, and bboxes. You convert them by enabling MUGEN support--there should be a txt in the Openborstats folder that tells you how to do so. After that, you click the "Convert from MUGEN" button, point to a .air file, and the program will do the rest.
wintersun said:
It's not a 100% conversation... just animations (almost all of which need to be renamed), frames, offsets, and bboxes. You convert them by enabling MUGEN support--there should be a txt in the Openborstats folder that tells you how to do so. After that, you click the "Convert from MUGEN" button, point to a .air file, and the program will do the rest.
O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
Yeah, I will try to handle this. OpenBOR is a great engine, I think both engines could benefit if the users starts to learn both engines.
About the conversion, its not an easy task. It will read the .AIR file and try to make a char .txt for BOR. But it will export every single animation on the .AIR file and it will make a different animation on the .txt. But this will crash openBOR, since if the engine found an animation which the name doesn't is on its list of possible animations, it won't work.
This topic was meant to be more a guide about the conversion rather than a discussion. I think I will split the topics later.
edit: topic split
kimono
Well-known member
You can use Mugen Character Maker. Open your sff file with this software and export all to pcx. You can convert then the frames to a png or gif format at your open choice.
http://mkpnew.thedarkside.su/help/poleznye_programmy/2017_05_17_mugen_character_maker_mcm
Maybye we can host here MCM 2.0 in the download mugen tools section?
http://mkpnew.thedarkside.su/help/poleznye_programmy/2017_05_17_mugen_character_maker_mcm
Maybye we can host here MCM 2.0 in the download mugen tools section?
O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
kimono said:
No, MCM is JURASSIC. It won't read most of the recent characters SFF.
You should use Fighter Factory instead.
Gary P Smith
Member
I use Fighters Factory. You need winzip to open the files first, and then you save the sprites as gif files and replace the sprites of playable characters with the sprites from the downloaded mugen characters. I'm not sure whether there's anything in the mugen folders to tell you the bbox, offset and attack co-ordinates. I couldn't work out how to use things like GIMP so I just base them on the closest approximation (this I admit sometimes takes some trail and error).
O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
Both OpenBORStats and CMT has a tool for this - Although the CMT tool crashes for me, @Piccolo: After I select both .air, .sff and folder, the tool give me this error:
You can export all the images using the same axis, but you woun't be able to easily reuse the CLSN boxes values because they work for the image size (and in Mugen we do trim images inside the .sff file)
Piccolo
Well-known member
I just updated the old code to make it compatible with the new version of CMT
Blaze Rhodon
Member
For anyone wondering how to define coordinates from MUGEN characters sprites, you can do it in GIMP.
Offset is area where character should stand and easiest way to do it in GIMP is simply move a cursor to correct area and read its coordinates.
Here is example, I marked area where you should look at:
About body boxes and attack boxes you can simply mark the area where your character should be vulnerable or where should attack and read its coordinates (x, y, lenght, height)
Another examples where you should look at:
It is not that hard as might be, but it is really time consuming. Also about offsets I've found better way by creating new big empty frame, import color palette, mark a single pixel at the middle of the frame and later aligning copied character frames to this pixel, it also takes much time but solve a problem with defining offset with every frame.
Offset is area where character should stand and easiest way to do it in GIMP is simply move a cursor to correct area and read its coordinates.
Here is example, I marked area where you should look at:
About body boxes and attack boxes you can simply mark the area where your character should be vulnerable or where should attack and read its coordinates (x, y, lenght, height)
Another examples where you should look at:
It is not that hard as might be, but it is really time consuming. Also about offsets I've found better way by creating new big empty frame, import color palette, mark a single pixel at the middle of the frame and later aligning copied character frames to this pixel, it also takes much time but solve a problem with defining offset with every frame.
O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
I don't mean to sound rude or offend you, but this is like counting the number of legs a horse has and dividing by 4 to find out how many legs it has...
You can do all of this directly within Fighter Factory; it's much, much easier.
But you don't have to do this. If it's easier for you, you can create a large image where you align everything and then have Fighter Factory crop the images (unlike OpenBOR, Mugen doesn't crop the images).
The only images you'll need to manually align are the Required Images (from group 5000).
And keep in mind that you'll need to align the images one way or another. Some creators, like some Japanese ones, prefer to align all images at the 0,0 position in SFF and then align them correctly later in AIR, but I've never liked this method.
Blaze Rhodon
Member
Of course, but there are also other non-MUGEN sprites resource (for example spritesheets) where aligning frames is required. I've seen video of @Digital Brilliance Hour where he crops images from spritesheets with some tool (I don't remember it's name), but you still have to set offsets to every created in this way frames, so I've found aligning sprites to central point using GIMP much more reliable way. Also sometimes MUGEN sprites are too large, and to shrink them I use Rotsprite, and shrunk frames I have to align in GIMP anyway because I can't use FF3 for this.
Read posts in this thread first, and then ask questions when you something don't understand.
O Ilusionista
Captain 100K
I haven't saw the video but probably is this one Alferd Spritesheet Unpacker - ASU by ForkandBeard
You can use Stitch Studio too Stitch Studio (+others)
Blaze Rhodon
Member
Thanks @O Ilusionista , this is exactly what I meant. It will be very useful for making characters from spritesheets.